Its been such fun watching the Hale-Bopp crowd twist themselves into
knots trying to avoid giving the Zetas a prediction win.  For instance,
the Zetas said Hale-Bopp would be announced as having utterly
fragmented, so they didn't follow the plan.  Instead they have a
massive comet, a monster by anyone's calculation, that was outgassing
on the way in to a degree never before seen, announced as
"intrinsically bright" by comet center here in the US, Brian Marsden -
and no pictures of it for the past 13 months as it AIN'T BRIGHT
anymore.  Twist and turn :-).  Then because the Zetas said that the
McNaught 1983 image would be found to be invalid, Brian Marsden 
found it to be CORRECT, but only by throwing out 90% of the data given
to him :-), and thereby inadvertently giving the Zetas a win as they
had earlier said he was tossing out the data at a frantic pace in order
to have it fit his hid mold.

So .. the Zetas want to do some more predicting.

(Begin ZetaTalk[TM])
Since the public has finally been roused and has come to notice that
the dramatic pictures of Hale-Bopp, so much on the Internet and in the
media in the early days, are now absent without adequate explanation,
WE PREDICT that the single individual, the NASA Principal Investigator
who has been given exclusive rights to Hubble pictures of Hale-Bopp,
will come forward and grant the public a look at these prizes. 
HOWEVER, these pictures will be of times long past, preferably months
ago, and will NOT be pictures of dates announced ahead of time so that
the public might correlate their own observations with those of the
Hubble.  It will be "take our word for it, this is what it LOOKED
like".  The Hubble's schedule will be kept a close secret.  How dare
you ask, you just PAY for it!

Since Hale-Bopp advocates have diminished down to a precious few, in
light of the increasing embarrassment those trying to hold to the party
line are experiencing, and as our emissary Nancy has pointed out the
thinning ranks, WE PREDICT that some prestigious individuals will come
forth, descending from their ivory towers to enlighten the masses, and
explain away:
1) Why Hale-Bopp could be a comet that outgassed violently out beyond
Jupiter, when such instability stands at odds with its being a repeater
at all.
2) Why Hale-Bopp outgassed violently out beyond Jupiter, but ceases
this activity the closer it gets to the Sun.
3) How Brian Marsden could announce the orbital period of a comet to be
between 3,000 and 4,000 years, based on the orbital element calculated
between 1983 and 1995, and yet the orbit of Hale-Bopp has skewed around
mightily, undergoing almost daily changes, so that the unstable
Hale-Bopp orbit today looks NOTHING like the original orbit Marsden
announced and predicated upon.  
4) Why it is that NASA and JPL, so proud of Hale-Bopp they went front
page with it in 1995, then gave exclusive rights to a Principal
Investigator who holds and hides all Hubble pictures of Hale-Bopp. 
Didn't they know the man?  Or was he chosen for this very propensity?
5) Why the blackout on Hale-Bopp is closing in the closer this "comet
of the century" gets to giving us the "glorious show" that was
predicted.  Shouldn't we be opening the windows wide, and POINTING to
this glory so that all can see?
6) Why all the Hale-Bopp touters are finding they have "no time" to put
pictures on their web sites or have to go fishing or whatever.  Who's
going to be left in the end?  Probably the illusive and reclusive PI
who holds the Hubble pictures.  We must all wait a year to find out why
Hale-Bopp didn't show as expected.  Alas, he's probably going to take
these pictures to his mountain cabin and have a fire!
7) How it is that NASA and JPL can do an about face on life on Mars,
suddenly deciding they MUST go to Mars and WILL photo those artifacts
that demonstrate intelligence once walks about up there - yet they
weren't liars before.  If they lied then about life on Mars, then why
is it not possible for them to be lying now about Hale-Bopp?  

WE PREDICT that the prestigious individuals who come forth WILL NOT
address any of these questions screaming to be answered.  They will
pontificate, and refuse to debate or respond, and then leave.  This is
what WE PREDICT.
(End ZetaTalk[TM])

Nancy writes:

> Its been such fun watching the Hale-Bopp crowd twist themselves into
> knots trying to avoid giving the Zetas a prediction win.

In the meantime, others have been watching you ignore the facts.

> announced as
>"intrinsically bright" by comet center here in the US, Brian Marsden -
> and no pictures of it for the past 13 months as it AIN'T BRIGHT
> anymore.

There are plenty of pictures of it in the past 13 months, and it's as
bright as ever.

> Twist and turn :-).

Is that what you're doing?

> Then because the Zetas said that the
> McNaught 1983 image would be found to be invalid, Brian Marsden 
> found it to be CORRECT, but only by throwing out 90% of the data given
> to him :-),

Wrong again, Nancy.  The 1995 data were merely downweighted, not thrown
out, to avoid dominating the orbit solution with a short arc.  Now that
plenty of 1996 observations are available, it's totally unnecessary to
even downweight the 1995 data anymore, and the McNaught 1993 image still
fits, as I told you once already.

> 1) Why Hale-Bopp could be a comet that outgassed violently out beyond
> Jupiter, when such instability stands at odds with its being a repeater
> at all.

No it doesn't.  Comets don't lose all their volatiles on one pass.

> 2) Why Hale-Bopp outgassed violently out beyond Jupiter, but ceases
> this activity the closer it gets to the Sun.

The activity hasn't ceased.

> 3) How Brian Marsden could announce the orbital period of a comet to be
> between 3,000 and 4,000 years, based on the orbital element calculated
> between 1983 and 1995, and yet the orbit of Hale-Bopp has skewed around
> mightily, undergoing almost daily changes, so that the unstable
> Hale-Bopp orbit today looks NOTHING like the original orbit Marsden
> announced and predicated upon.  

The orbit today is quite similar to the original orbit.

> 4) Why it is that NASA and JPL, so proud of Hale-Bopp they went front
> page with it in 1995, then gave exclusive rights to a Principal
> Investigator who holds and hides all Hubble pictures of Hale-Bopp. 

There are other telescopes besides Hubble, and they have provided many
pictures to others besides a Principal Investigator.

> 5) Why the blackout on Hale-Bopp is closing in the closer this "comet
> of the century" gets to giving us the "glorious show" that was
> predicted.

There is no blackout.

> 6) Why all the Hale-Bopp touters are finding they have "no time" to put
> pictures on their web sites or have to go fishing or whatever.

They do have time, just not enough to deal with the huge number of
pictures being submitted.

Anyone saved a whole set of this zeta shit?  I'd be into burning a cdrom
of it merely for fodder into mersenne chain text parsing code.


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In article <57oqd8$o2c@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
Wailer at the Gates of Dawn <banshee@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
>Anyone saved a whole set of this zeta shit?  I'd be into burning a cdrom
>of it merely for fodder into mersenne chain text parsing code.

I think she keeps all her drivel on her web page - unless she's
covered up :-) her first failed predictions.
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